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Title: A deep look at the TURNA LLM from Türkiye

URL Source: https://erkansaka.net/2025/10/14/turna-ai-kumru-2b-launch-reactions-turkey-llm/

Published Time: 2025-10-14T08:14:47+00:00

Markdown Content:
A reporter contacted me to comment on the recent launch of [Turna.ai](https://kumru.ai/), as its answers reminded many of Grok’s scandalous answers. However, I could not follow the recent launch and thus could not respond to the reporter. But then I asked ChatGPT for a deep research. I believe users should not be harsh on this open-source initiative. Let’s see how it will go.

> **TURNA Turkish Language Model**: TURNA is a state-of-the-art Turkish language model based on the UL2 encoder-decoder architecture, developed by the Computer Engineering Department at Boğaziçi University. It is designed to handle both natural language understanding and generation tasks in Turkish, outperforming many multilingual models and competing with strong monolingual models. TURNA was trained on a 10GB corpus from sources like OSCAR, OPUS, and Wikipedia, features 36 encoder and decoder layers, 16 attention heads, and over 1.1 billion parameters. It is distributed mainly for non-commercial academic research. Common research tasks for TURNA include text summarization, paraphrasing, news title generation, named entity recognition, semantic similarity, text classification, and more.[arxiv+3](https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.14373)

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## Introduction

Turna AI’s **Kumru-2B** model – a 2-billion-parameter Turkish large language model – was launched open source in October 2025, along with the extensive **web corpus** (500 GB of Turkish text) used to train it. This release (in both a base pre-trained version and an **instruct** fine-tuned version) quickly generated buzz in tech communities. Many observers hailed it as a milestone for Turkey’s AI ecosystem, noting it as _“Türkiye’nin… ilk yerli LLM projesi”_ (the first locally-developed LLM) and a step toward digital independence[[1]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ilk%20yerli%20llm%20projesi,kadar%C4%B1yla%20epey%20h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1)[[2]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=than%20just%20another%20local%20language,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance). On social media – especially Twitter (X) and Ekşi Sözlük – reactions ranged from enthusiastic praise and national pride to critical skepticism and humor. Below we break down the key sentiments, notable posts, comparisons, and industry commentary surrounding Kumru-2B’s debut.

## Twitter Buzz and Positive Reception

On Twitter (X), many users and AI enthusiasts celebrated the open-source release. The **model and its training corpus** immediately drew attention – one AI commenter noted that _Kumru-2B (both base and instruct) was released_ _along with the web corpus it was trained on_**, a transparency move that impressed the community. This openness and focus on Turkish-language AI were widely praised. The model’s Hugging Face repository even** trended on the front page **shortly after launch, which Turkish tech observers took as a point of pride, signaling significant interest beyond Turkey. For example, one popular thread by a Turkish ML engineer highlighted _“the value of open-sourcing a model”_ for the community and explained why Kumru-2B is an important development for Turkish NLP. Many congratulatory posts thanked the VNGRS/Turna AI team for contributing a** Turkish-language LLM** to the open-source world, emphasizing how it advances local AI capability and sovereignty[[2]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=than%20just%20another%20local%20language,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance)[[3]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Kumru,governance%2C%20and%20ethical%20AI%20development).

**Notable Posts:** Several influential figures amplified the news. The official VNGRS account shared Kumru’s release, and tech professionals like Merve Noyan and academic Akin Ünver retweeted it, calling the achievement _“çok büyük gurur kaynağı”_ (“a great source of pride”) for Turkey. These posts received substantial engagement. Observers from abroad also took note; some English-language AI blogs described **Kumru.ai** as _“a milestone in Turkey’s AI advancement”_, underscoring its significance in demonstrating that smaller local teams can build useful LLMs from scratch[[4]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=In%20Turkey%E2%80%99s%20fast,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance). Podcasts and tech forums discussed Kumru enthusiastically – _Dijital Zihin_, a Turkish AI podcast, praised the academic rigor of the project and its lead researcher Melikşah Türker for bridging local academia and industry[[5]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Podcasts%20such%20as%20Dijital%20Zihin,academia%20and%20applied%20AI%20development). Overall, on Twitter the **sentiment was largely optimistic**: pride in a home-grown model, appreciation for the open-source release (model **and** data), and hope that this would spur further AI innovation in Turkey.

## Praise for Turkish Fluency and Use-Cases

Users who tested Kumru-2B highlighted its strengths in **Turkish language tasks**. Early adopters reported that Kumru’s outputs in Turkish felt fluent and natural, with nuanced understanding of Turkish grammar and idioms[[6]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability). Some noted it _outperformed larger multinational models on purely Turkish tasks_, like summarization and grammatical error correction[[6]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability). This resonated on social media, since many existing LLMs (e.g. GPT-4, Llama-2) are not Turkish-native and sometimes fumble with the language. Commenters lauded Kumru-2B for **filling a niche**: it can handle long Turkish documents (up to 8192 tokens context) and was even designed to run on modest hardware (fits on a 16GB GPU, or ~5GB for the 2B model)[[7]](https://medium.com/vngrs/kumru-llm-34d1628cfd93#:~:text=Thanks%20to%20its%20efficient%20design%2C,such%20as%20finance%20and%20health)[[8]](https://eskisehirdurum.com/genel-gundem/kumru-ai-sahibi-kim-yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-ai-kurucusu-kim-kumru-yapay-zekanin-ozellikleri-nedir-chatgptye-rakip-olacak-turk-yapimi-yapay-zeka-kumru-cikti-mi-ne-zaman-cikiyor/86621#:~:text=D%C3%BC%C5%9F%C3%BCk%20Donan%C4%B1m%20%C4%B0htiyac%C4%B1%3A%20Modelin%207%2C4,kullan%C4%B1m%20imk%C3%A2n%C4%B1%20sunar). People mentioned use cases like document summarization and question-answering on Turkish texts as promising areas. The **B2B focus** was also understood – the team positioned Kumru not as a ChatGPT-style general chatbot, but as an on-premise solution for enterprises needing Turkish AI services (due to data privacy or regulatory reasons)[[9]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=1%29%20kumru%20son%20kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1lara%20,i%C3%A7in%20geli%C5%9Ftirilmi%C5%9F%20bir%20%C3%BCr%C3%BCn)[[10]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm). Onedio, a popular Turkish media outlet, reported that Kumru _“tanıtıldı, ilk günden büyük ilgi gördü”_ (“was introduced and received great interest from day one”)[[11]](https://onedio.com/haber/yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-tanitildi-sosyal-medyada-gundem-olan-kumru-ya-dair-bilinmeyenler-aciklandi-1319409#:~:text=D%C3%BCnyay%C4%B1%20kas%C4%B1p%20kavuran%20yapay%20zeka,ilk%20g%C3%BCnden%20b%C3%BCy%C3%BCk%20ilgi%20g%C3%B6rd%C3%BC). Indeed, many posts commended the VNGRS team for addressing a local need with a tailored model, and for planning future upgrades (a 7B model and multimodal abilities were hinted to be in the pipeline, fueling further excitement)[[12]](https://x.com/akinunver?lang=en#:~:text=merve%20%C2%B7%20%40mervenoyann,sayfada%207B%20ve%20multimodal).

## Criticisms and Skepticism on Ekşi Sözlük

On **Ekşi Sözlük**, Turkey’s prominent online forum, the reaction was more mixed and often sarcastic. Some users were openly skeptical of the hype. The very first entry acknowledged Kumru as the first local LLM and _“pretty fast”_, but immediately noted _“herhangi bir reasoning işlemi yok, internete bağlanamıyor – dümdüz LLM yapıyor”_ (“it has no reasoning, can’t connect to the internet – it’s just a plain LLM”)[[1]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ilk%20yerli%20llm%20projesi,kadar%C4%B1yla%20epey%20h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1). The post concluded that _“şimdilik pek kullanılacak gibi değil”_, i.e. it doesn’t seem very usable yet[[1]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ilk%20yerli%20llm%20projesi,kadar%C4%B1yla%20epey%20h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1). This set the tone for several other critical comments on Ekşi: users **tested Kumru with basic questions and math** and shared the amusing failures. One user quipped that Kumru is _“inanılmaz yetenekli bir yapay zeka”_ in mathematics – because it confidently insisted that 3 + 3×5 = 9[[13]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=matematik%20konusunda%20inan%C4%B1lmaz%20yetenekli%20bir,sonucunun%209%20oldu%C4%9Funu%20iddia%20ediyor). Another showed Kumru giving a nonsensical explanation of **order of operations** in math, humorously scolding the model: _“yanlış özetliyorsun, kumrucum”_ (“you’re summarizing it incorrectly, my dear Kumru”)[[14]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=yaln%C4%B1z,%C3%B6nceli%C4%9Fi%20konusunda%20%C5%9F%C3%B6yle%20diyor%20ha%C5%9Fmetmeap)[[15]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=%C3%B6nce%20toplama%20ve%20%C3%A7%C4%B1karma%2C%20sonra,i%C5%9Flemlerin%20s%C4%B1ras%C4%B1%20bu%20%C5%9Fekilde%20%C3%B6zetlenebilir). Such examples of **hallucinations or mistakes** spread on Ekşi, casting doubt on the model’s reliability.

Some commenters took issue with what they perceived as overblown claims. The **“first national AI”** branding was ridiculed by multiple users: _“‘ilk yerli LLM projesi’ iddiasına götünüzle gülebilirsiniz”_, one wrote, suggesting they could laugh their butt off at that claim[[16]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=,bile%20benzer%20llm%20ler%20yap%C4%B1lmaktad%C4%B1r). They argued that many Turkish researchers and even students have been fine-tuning models, so Kumru isn’t the absolute first – just the first with heavy publicity. Another user pointed out they themselves had a custom LLM running locally with internet access and tools, so _“akıllının biri çıkmış yapay zeka yaptım demiş”_ (“some smart aleck comes out and says ‘I made an AI’”)[[17]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=benimde%20lokalde%20haz%C4%B1r%20llmleri%20al%C4%B1p,okuyup%20bilgisayar%20%C3%BCzerinde%20i%C5%9Flem%20yapabiliyor). This cynicism highlights a sentiment that Kumru might be more of a rebranding or integration of existing open models rather than an earth-shaking innovation. In fact, one entry speculated that _“LLM’ine sorabilirsiniz – Mistral ve LLaMA-3’ün merge edilmiş hali”_ (you can ask the LLM itself; it says it’s a merged Mistral+LLaMA-3 model)[[18]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ama%20t%C3%BCrkiye%27nin%20ilk%20yapay%20zekas%C4%B1,%C3%A7%C4%B1km%C4%B1%C5%9F%20yapay%20zeka%20yapt%C4%B1m%20demi%C5%9F). This may have been a misunderstanding – the developers later clarified that **Kumru’s architecture is based on Mistral but trained from scratch, not a mere fine-tune or merge**[[19]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=modelin%20mistral%20mimarisine%20dayan%C4%B1yor%20olmas%C4%B1,s%C4%B1f%C4%B1rdan%20e%C4%9Fitilmesi%20%C3%A7eli%C5%9Fen%20%C5%9Feyler%20de%C4%9Fil)[[20]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=mistral%20modelinin%20al%C4%B1n%C4%B1p%20e%C4%9Fitilmeye%20devam,tamamen%20s%C4%B1f%C4%B1rdan%20yarat%C4%B1ld%C4%B1%20ve%20e%C4%9Fitildi). Still, the perception among some Ekşi Sözlük users was that Kumru didn’t _feel_ entirely novel.

Despite the jokes and jabs, there were a few balanced voices on Ekşi Sözlük as well. Some recognized that Kumru is intended for **enterprise use** more than as a public chatbot, which explains its current limitations[[21]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=son%20kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1%20odakl%C4%B1%20bir%20genel,g%C3%B6rsel). A user shared the VNGRS team’s official FAQ (posted in response to community questions) to address the criticisms: the FAQ explicitly notes Kumru has _not yet undergone RLHF (reinforcement learning from human feedback)_ – analogous to OpenAI’s early GPT-3 (davinci-001) phase – and thus _will_ make mistakes until further fine-tuning is done[[22]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=4,hen%C3%BCz%20peki%C5%9Ftirmeli%20%C3%B6%C4%9Frenme%20a%C5%9Famas%C4%B1ndan%20ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi)[[23]](https://onedio.com/haber/yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-tanitildi-sosyal-medyada-gundem-olan-kumru-ya-dair-bilinmeyenler-aciklandi-1319409#:~:text=Yapay%20Zeka%20%20modellerine%20dair,ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi%20i%C3%A7in%20hatal%C4%B1%20bilgiler%20verebiliyor). The team also answered why training from scratch (to get a Turkish tokenizer) was chosen over fine-tuning a foreign model, and emphasized that Kumru is **not a ChatGPT rival** but a smaller, domain-focused model[[24]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm). After reading these clarifications, one Ekşi user conceded that at least _“diğerleri gibi arkada ChatGPT API kullanıp ‘yerli milli yapay zekayız’ demiyorlar”_ – i.e. at least these folks are not secretly using the ChatGPT API in the backend while claiming to be a local AI[[25]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=). This was a subtle nod to honesty; in the past, some so-called “Turkish AI” products were just wrappers around foreign models. In Kumru’s case, even skeptics acknowledged it is a genuine **independent model** – albeit one that “doesn’t know what it’s saying” yet[[25]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=). In summary, Ekşi Sözlük’s reaction was a blend of **patriotic enthusiasm dampened by technical realism** – proud to see a Turkish model launched, but quick to mock its early shortcomings and any exaggerated marketing.

## Comparisons to Other LLMs

Comparisons between Kumru-2B and other large language models were a recurring theme in discussions. Many drew parallels with **OpenAI’s GPT series**. Experienced users noted Kumru’s stage of development is roughly akin to _GPT-3’s initial instruct-tuned model without alignment_: the **OpenAI davinci-001 (early 2022)** level[[22]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=4,hen%C3%BCz%20peki%C5%9Ftirmeli%20%C3%B6%C4%9Frenme%20a%C5%9Famas%C4%B1ndan%20ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi). In other words, Kumru-2B can follow instructions but hasn’t been rigorously fine-tuned with human feedback yet, so it tends to **hallucinate and err** in predictable ways (e.g. struggling with math and factual precision)[[26]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=yapay%20zeka%20modellerine%20dair%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BClmesi,ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi%20i%C3%A7in%20hatal%C4%B1%20bilgiler%20verebiliyor)[[23]](https://onedio.com/haber/yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-tanitildi-sosyal-medyada-gundem-olan-kumru-ya-dair-bilinmeyenler-aciklandi-1319409#:~:text=Yapay%20Zeka%20%20modellerine%20dair,ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi%20i%C3%A7in%20hatal%C4%B1%20bilgiler%20verebiliyor). This was not meant entirely as a put-down – rather, it set expectations that Kumru will need further alignment to approach ChatGPT’s reliability. In fact, Kumru’s developers themselves made this comparison in their communications, saying _“şu anda OpenAI’ın 2022 başında duyurduğu davinci-001 modeli ile aynı aşamadayız”_ (“we are at the same stage as OpenAI’s early-2022 davinci-001 model”)[[27]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=iken%2C%20kumru%20t%C3%BCrkiye%20i%C3%A7indeki%20kurum,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm). Knowing this, many users treated Kumru as a **work in progress** rather than a finished product, often explicitly stating that it’s _not_ competing head-to-head with ChatGPT[[10]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm).

At the same time, the community did contrast Kumru with other available LLMs in terms of performance and purpose. The **Cetvel benchmark** results published by the team were frequently cited: remarkably, Kumru (both 7B and 2B) reportedly _outscored much larger open models like LLaMA-70B, Qwen-72B, Gemma-27B, etc., on a suite of Turkish language tasks_[[28]](https://huggingface.co/vngrs-ai/Kumru-2B#:~:text=We%20observe%20that%20Kumru%20overall,error%20correction%20and%20text%20summarization). This claim garnered cautious admiration – if accurate, it highlights the benefit of a dedicated Turkish model. Some on Twitter found this result encouraging, pointing out that **bigger isn’t always better** if the data isn’t specialized; Kumru’s training on rich Turkish data gave it an edge in that niche[[28]](https://huggingface.co/vngrs-ai/Kumru-2B#:~:text=We%20observe%20that%20Kumru%20overall,error%20correction%20and%20text%20summarization). However, others were quick to temper expectations by reminding everyone that **ChatGPT (GPT-4)** still vastly surpasses a 2B or 7B model in general capability. In fact, a number of commenters explicitly stated (or asked) if Kumru was a _“ChatGPT’ye rakip”_ (a competitor to ChatGPT), to which the resounding answer – even from VNGRS – was “no”[[24]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm). Kumru is **smaller and cheaper** by design, targeting on-premises deployment for Turkish companies, whereas ChatGPT is a massive, globally trained model hosted on the cloud[[10]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm). Comparisons were also made with other **local or regional LLM efforts**: for instance, people mentioned models like **Gemini or Grok** (global models) and wondered how Kumru-7B (when released) might stack up, or referenced **Korean and European “sovereign AI” projects** in the context of countries developing their own models[[4]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=In%20Turkey%E2%80%99s%20fast,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance)[[29]](https://www.haber7.com/teknoloji/haber/3570951-yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-kumru-ai-ucretsiz-mi-sahibi-kimdir#:~:text=kimdir%3F%20www,Payla%C5%9F%C4%B1lan%20bilgiler). Overall, the consensus was that Kumru-2B is _in the same league as other open small LLMs_ – useful within its scope, even outperforming larger models on Turkish tasks[[6]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability), but still far from the prowess of the top-tier models in broader domains[[30]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Turkish,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability).

## User Concerns and Areas of Criticism

Beyond performance comparisons, social media users raised **practical concerns** about Kumru-2B’s current abilities. A major point of criticism was its **tendency to “break character” or repeat boilerplate identity text**. Developers testing the model noted Kumru would often respond with phrases like “_Ben Kumru, VNGRS tarafından geliştirilmiş bir modelim_…” (“I am Kumru, a model developed by VNGRS…”) in its answers, which became somewhat repetitive[[31]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Turkish,RLHF). This was attributed to the instruct fine-tuning and lack of RLHF – essentially the model wasn’t deeply tuned to avoid self-identification in every reply. Similarly, **reasoning ability** was questioned. Apart from humorous math failures, some users found that Kumru struggled with understanding nuanced questions or implied context. One Twitter user gave a simple example: because they forgot a question mark, Kumru failed to realize a query was a question, whereas ChatGPT inferred it correctly – indicating Kumru’s conversational inference is still weak[[32]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=az%20%C3%A7ok%20kodlama%20bilirim%20ama,teknolojiye%20de%20hakim%20de%C4%9Filim)[[33]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ama%20bu%20ai%20c%C3%BCmle%20sonuna,chatgpt%20anlad%C4%B1). Hallucinations (making up facts) were also reported. Early users cautioned that Kumru might confidently provide incorrect information, a known issue in all LLMs but exacerbated here by the absence of a fine-tuning step to align outputs with factuality[[26]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=yapay%20zeka%20modellerine%20dair%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BClmesi,ge%C3%A7medi%C4%9Fi%20i%C3%A7in%20hatal%C4%B1%20bilgiler%20verebiliyor).

**Math and logic** were repeatedly pointed out as weak spots – an unsurprising outcome given that Kumru doesn’t have an internal calculator or reasoning module, and it hasn’t had techniques like chain-of-thought prompting or tool-use integrated. The developers openly acknowledged _“Kumru matematikte kötü”_ (“Kumru is bad at math”) in their FAQ[[34]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=8,geli%C5%9Fmi%C5%9F%20peki%C5%9Ftirmeli%20%C3%B6%C4%9Frenme%20y%C3%B6ntemleri%20ile). Social media users appreciated this honesty; several posts shared the explanation that, like early GPT models, Kumru simply predicts text and can’t inherently perform arithmetic or logical reasoning without training or tools[[34]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=8,geli%C5%9Fmi%C5%9F%20peki%C5%9Ftirmeli%20%C3%B6%C4%9Frenme%20y%C3%B6ntemleri%20ile)[[35]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=da%20sahip%20de%C4%9Filler,sonra%20matematikte%20daha%20ba%C5%9Far%C4%B1l%C4%B1%20olacak). Knowing this, some users tried to see if Kumru could be augmented – for instance, individuals talked about hooking Kumru up to Python tools or knowledge bases themselves, as a workaround. Indeed, one Ekşi Sözlük entry described how a hobbyist integrated a local LLM with Python functions and internet access, implicitly suggesting that Kumru could evolve in that direction too[[17]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=benimde%20lokalde%20haz%C4%B1r%20llmleri%20al%C4%B1p,okuyup%20bilgisayar%20%C3%BCzerinde%20i%C5%9Flem%20yapabiliyor).

Another concern was the **utility of the released web corpus**. While many applauded that VNGRS open-sourced the 500GB Turkish web dataset used for training, a few developers on Twitter debated its quality and licensing. Could this corpus (presumably filtered and deduplicated Turkish web crawl data) become a valuable resource for others training models in Turkish? Enthusiasts saw it as a **big win for the community**, as it’s rare to have a large curated Turkish text dataset freely available. However, caution was noted: if much of that data is scraped from the internet, issues of data privacy or bias might need examination (though this topic was not front-and-center in the initial reactions). More commonly, users simply expressed curiosity: _What’s in the corpus?_ Did it include social media posts, books, or just websites? Those kinds of discussions suggest that the **open dataset release spurred interest among researchers** who might repurpose or analyze it.

In summary, key concerns voiced by the public included Kumru-2B’s **accuracy and maturity** (needing RLHF to reduce hallucinations[[31]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Turkish,RLHF)[[36]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=While%20its%20strategic%20potential%20is,Kumru%20still%20faces%20important%20hurdles)), its **reasoning limitations**, and whether it’s currently more of a tech demo than a ready solution. Nonetheless, even critics often couched their comments with a sense of _“it’s a start”_ – implying hope that these issues will be addressed in future iterations. The development team’s proactive approach (answering FAQs, promising upcoming improvements like a multimodal model and larger parameter versions) was noted and appreciated as a sign that feedback is being taken seriously[[37]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=kabiliyeti%20kazand%C4%B1rarak%20kumru%E2%80%99yu%20multimodal%20bir,izlerini%20takip%20ederek%20ilerliyoruz%20diyebiliriz)[[38]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=16,ba%C5%9Flayarak%20eski%20modelleri%20yay%C4%B1nlamay%C4%B1%20planl%C4%B1yoruz).

## Industry and Expert Commentary

The launch of Kumru-2B also sparked commentary from industry experts and AI researchers, both in Turkey and internationally. **Industry insiders** viewed Kumru through the lens of _AI sovereignty_ and local ecosystem impact. A detailed analysis on one tech finance blog described **Kumru.ai as a strategic leap for Turkey**, emphasizing that having a domestically developed LLM (with open governance and Turkish data) is a step toward reducing reliance on US/China tech giants[[4]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=In%20Turkey%E2%80%99s%20fast,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance)[[3]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Kumru,governance%2C%20and%20ethical%20AI%20development). This narrative was echoed on LinkedIn and tech news, where people framed Kumru as part of Turkey’s effort to foster home-grown AI talent and infrastructure. The fact that VNGRS built this model for only around $250K using eight H200 GPUs over 45 days[[39]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=2009%20by%20Ko%C3%A7%20University%20alumni,using%20eight%20Nvidia%20H200%20GPUs) was highlighted as an impressive feat – showing that relatively small teams can create meaningful models without billions of dollars. Experts pointed out how VNGRS even contributed code optimizations to open-source frameworks during this project (e.g. improvements merged into Hugging Face Transformers library)[[40]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=The%20model%20was%20trained%20from,0), underscoring the **community-oriented approach**.

Within Turkey, some AI practitioners expressed cautious optimism. Fatih Kadir Akın, a well-known Turkish developer, commented on X that Kumru’s current state is _“kesinlikle… davinci-001’e eş değer”_ – essentially agreeing that it’s comparable to an unaligned GPT-3, which is _understandable for now_[[41]](https://x.com/fkadev?lang=en#:~:text=fatih%20kadir%20ak%C4%B1n%20,001%27e%20e%C5%9F%20de%C4%9Fer). His remarks suggested that with further fine-tuning (and perhaps with community contributions), Kumru could become much stronger, just as GPT-3 evolved with InstructGPT and ChatGPT. Meanwhile, **Deniz Oktar**, the founder of VNGRS/Turna AI and leader of the Kumru project, took to social media to address the conversation. He thanked people for their interest and feedback, and in one post gently chided the harsher critics by noting that some of the **criticisms revealed a lack of understanding** about what it takes to develop and train an LLM[[42]](https://x.com/denizoktar#:~:text=Kumru%20LLM%20hakk%C4%B1ndaki%20ele%C5%9Ftiriler%20hen%C3%BCz,hangi%20i%C5%9Flere%20yarar%20bilmedi%C4%9Fini%20g%C3%B6steriyor). Oktar emphasized that Kumru was a product of long-term research and engineering (not a weekend project, as some detractors implied) and invited experts to review it in depth. This kind of engagement from the creators – being transparent about the model’s development stages and receptive to feedback – earned respect from parts of the community. As one article put it, _“VNGRS, Kumru’yla ilgili merak edilen sorulara cevap vererek ilgiye teşekkür etti”_ (“VNGRS answered questions about Kumru and thanked everyone for the interest”)[[43]](https://onedio.com/haber/yerli-yapay-zeka-kumru-tanitildi-sosyal-medyada-gundem-olan-kumru-ya-dair-bilinmeyenler-aciklandi-1319409#:~:text=Reklam).

**Comparisons to global efforts:** Some experts placed Kumru in context alongside other nations’ LLM projects. There was mention of how countries like **Korea (e.g. SKT’s models)** and organizations in Europe are also racing to build local-language LLMs[[44]](https://www.forbes.com/sites/ronschmelzer/2025/07/16/sk-telecom-releases-a-korean-sovereign-llm-built-from-scratch/#:~:text=Scratch%20www,from%20scratch%20for%20Korean). In that frame, Kumru is seen as part of a broader trend of seeking _“sovereign AI”_. Turkish tech commentators noted that Kumru’s open-source release is aligned with European AI values (transparency, privacy, compliance with local laws like KVKK) and that it could serve as a testbed for **responsible AI development in low-resource languages**[[45]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=6,Autonomy%20in%20Action). The **academic community** in Turkey also weighed in: researchers appreciated that VNGRS collaborated with university labs (e.g. Boğaziçi University’s NLP group) and built on prior local NLP projects like the **TURNA** encoder-decoder model[[46]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=%2A%20VBART%20%E2%80%93%20A%20387M,structured%20JSON%20for%20RAG%20systems). This grounding in research lent credibility to Kumru. Several academics on Twitter and LinkedIn praised the release of the model weights and dataset as an invaluable resource for students and academics working on Turkish NLP, as they can now experiment on a state-of-the-art base instead of always relying on English-centric models.

In short, industry voices were largely supportive, framing Kumru-2B’s launch as an **important experiment** in building a Turkish AI ecosystem. The model is not yet a world-beater, but it’s a concrete starting point that can be iterated upon. The emphasis was on the **long-term vision**: if Turkey continues to invest in such projects (as VNGRS plans to with a 14B-parameter model by 2026[[47]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=,trillion%20tokens%20by%20Q2%202026)), it could yield not just better models but also local expertise and infrastructure for AI. As one analysis concluded, Kumru _“may not yet rival GPT-class systems, but [its] nationally significant foundation positions it as a cornerstone in Turkey’s AI evolution.”_[[48]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Conclusion%3A%20A%20Milestone%2C%20Not%20the,Finish%20Line)

## Conclusion

The public reaction to Kumru-2B’s open-source release has been a vibrant mix of **pride, excitement, critique, and humor**. Turkish Twitter was abuzz with congratulations for achieving a first-of-its-kind local LLM and for sharing it openly, while forums like Ekşi Sözlük provided a reality check by poking at the model’s early flaws and hype. **Key themes** emerged:

*   _Gratitude and National Pride:_ Many see Kumru as a meaningful step toward technological self-reliance, applauding the open-source ethos and the focus on Turkish language capabilities[[4]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=In%20Turkey%E2%80%99s%20fast,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance)[[3]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Kumru,governance%2C%20and%20ethical%20AI%20development).
*   _Constructive Criticism:_ Users did not hold back in pointing out Kumru-2B’s limitations – from factual inaccuracies and math errors to repetitive responses – often with wit and memes[[49]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=matematik%20konusunda%20inan%C4%B1lmaz%20yetenekli%20bir,sonucunun%209%20oldu%C4%9Funu%20iddia%20ediyor)[[16]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=,bile%20benzer%20llm%20ler%20yap%C4%B1lmaktad%C4%B1r). This critical feedback is coupled with advice (calls for RLHF, better reasoning) and patience for future improvements.
*   _Comparisons and Context:_ The model’s launch prompted discussions about where it stands relative to giants like ChatGPT and other open models. The consensus is that Kumru is **not a ChatGPT killer**, but it fills a gap for Turkish NLP, outperforming some larger models in that niche while clearly trailing top-tier AI in general ability[[30]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Turkish,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability)[[10]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=3,h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1%20ve%20ucuz%20bir%20%C3%A7%C3%B6z%C3%BCm).
*   _Community and Ecosystem Impact:_ Perhaps most importantly, Kumru-2B’s release has galvanized the Turkish AI community. By open-sourcing not just the model but also the training data, Turna AI/VNGRS invited developers, researchers, and even skeptics to tinker with and improve the model. This collaborative spirit has been widely recognized as the true victory – seeding knowledge and tools that can spur further innovation. As one commentator noted, Kumru’s story _“illustrates what disciplined innovation and long-term vision can achieve”_[[50]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=evolution), even if the first step is small.

Going forward, the conversations suggest that **Kumru’s success will be measured by how it evolves**. The initial social media buzz has died down somewhat, but the project has entered the phase of incremental improvement with community feedback. If the team addresses the critiques (e.g. by implementing RLHF to curb hallucinations, and releasing the promised larger models), public sentiment may tilt even more positively. For now, Kumru-2B’s launch stands as a landmark moment that combined **local tech ambition with open-source collaboration**, eliciting reactions that are as insightful as they are passionate – truly reflective of a community invested in its AI future.

**Sources:** The above analysis is based on a range of public reactions and commentary, including Turkish social media discussions on Ekşi Sözlük[[1]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=ilk%20yerli%20llm%20projesi,kadar%C4%B1yla%20epey%20h%C4%B1zl%C4%B1)[[49]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=matematik%20konusunda%20inan%C4%B1lmaz%20yetenekli%20bir,sonucunun%209%20oldu%C4%9Funu%20iddia%20ediyor)[[16]](https://eksisozluk.com/kumru-ai--8034656#:~:text=,bile%20benzer%20llm%20ler%20yap%C4%B1lmaktad%C4%B1r), Twitter posts and threads from AI enthusiasts and the Kumru team[[31]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=Turkish,RLHF), as well as expert commentary from blogs and news outlets[[4]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=In%20Turkey%E2%80%99s%20fast,and%20under%20their%20own%20governance)[[6]](https://econvera.wordpress.com/2025/10/13/kumru-ai-turkeys-strategic-leap-in-ai-sovereignty-verified-insights-beyond-the-headlines/#:~:text=,a%20crucial%20proof%20of%20capability). These sources provide a multi-faceted view of how Kumru-2B’s open-source debut was received both within Turkey and in the broader AI community.

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Ja, die Türkei arbeitet aktiv an mehreren LLMs — hier der Überblick:

---

## 🐦 **Kumru AI** (Turna AI / VNGRS) — das Flaggschiff

- **Kumru-2B:** 2 Milliarden Parameter, **Open Source** (Hugging Face), Oktober 2025 released
- **Architektur:** Mistral-basiert, aber **from scratch** auf 500 GB türkischem Web-Korpus trainiert
- **Kosten:** ~$250.000, 8× H200 GPUs, 45 Tage Training
- **Fokus:** B2B/Enterprise — kein ChatGPT-Konkurrent, sondern on-premise für türkische Firmen (Datenschutz, KVKK-Compliance)
- **Roadmap:** 7B-Modell + multimodale Fähigkeiten in Arbeit, 14B bis Q2 2026 geplant
- **Team:** Deniz Oktar (Gründer), Melikşah Türker (Lead Researcher)
- **Website:** [kumru.ai](https://kumru.ai)

## 🛡 **T3AI** (T3 Foundation + Baykar)

- Beta-Launch **Juli 2025** auf der TEKNOFEST-Plattform
- Kooperation zwischen der Turkish Technology Team Foundation und dem Rüstungskonzern Baykar (Selçuk Bayraktar)
- Erster Post: *"Hello world, I am T3AI"*

## 🎓 **TURNA** (Boğaziçi Universität)

- Akademisches Modell: 1,1 Mrd. Parameter, Encoder-Decoder (UL2)
- Trainiert auf 10 GB türkischem Korpus (OSCAR, OPUS, Wikipedia)
- Für Forschung: Summarization, NER, Paraphrasing etc.

## 🏛 **Staatliche Initiative**

- Industrieminister **Mehmet Fatih Kacır** kündigte April 2025 das *erste nationale LLM mit türkischen Daten* an
- **25 Mrd. Lira** (~$653 Mio.) in 4.800 KI-Projekte investiert (über TÜBİTAK)
- Supercomputer **ARF** (35.000 Laptops Rechenleistung) + Zugang zu EuroHPC MareNostrum 5
- 2.900+ Firmen in Technoparks arbeiten an KI-Projekten

---

**Fazit:** Die Türkei ist im LLM-Rennen — nicht auf OpenAI/GPT-Niveau, aber mit ernsthaften, eigenständig trainierten Modellen. Kumru ist das technisch interessanteste (open source, from scratch, türkischer Tokenizer), T3AI das politisch-strategische (Baykar/T3-Netzwerk), und die Regierung pumpt Milliarden rein.

Explanation:
The user is asking whether Turkey is currently working on an LLM. I've gathered substantial information from web searches. Let me summarize the key findings:

Turkey has multiple LLM projects:

1. **Kumru AI (Turna AI / VNGRS)** - The most prominent one:
   - Kumru-2B: 2 billion parameter model, open-sourced October 2025
   - Based on Mistral architecture, trained from scratch on 500GB Turkish web corpus
   - Developed by VNGRS (Turna AI), led by Deniz Oktar
   - Cost ~$250K, trained on 8 H200 GPUs over 45 days
   - Plans for 7B and 14B models by 2026
   - B2B/enterprise focus, not a ChatGPT competitor
   - Available at kumru.ai, on Hugging Face

2. **T3AI** - Beta launched July 2025:
   - Developed by T3 Foundation (Turkish Technology Team) + Baykar (defense company)
   - Launched on TEKNOFEST social platform
   - First post: "Hello world, I am T3AI"

3. **TURNA** - Academic model from Boğaziçi University:
   - 1.1B parameter encoder-decoder (UL2 architecture)
   - Trained on 10GB Turkish corpus
   - For academic research (summarization, NER, etc.)

4. **Government initiative**: Industry Minister Mehmet Fatih Kacır announced in April 2025 that Turkey's first national LLM enriched with Turkish data would be unveiled. Turkey has invested 25 billion liras (~$653M) in 4,800 AI projects.

So yes, Turkey is actively working on LLMs — multiple projects at different levels (academic, private sector, government-backed).


Kommen die an chinesischen Modelle heran?


Kurze Antwort: **Nein, bei weitem nicht.** Aber der Vergleich ist auch etwas unfair. Hier die Einordnung:

---

## 📊 Größenordnung

| | Türkei (Kumru-2B) | China (Top-Modelle) |
|---|---|---|
| **Parameter** | 2 Mrd. | DeepSeek-V3: **671B** (MoE), Qwen 2.5: **72B**, Kimi K2.7: riesig |
| **Budget** | ~$250.000 | Milliarden (DeepSeek allein $500M+) |
| **Trainingsdaten** | 500 GB (nur Türkisch) | Multi-Trillion-Token, multilingual |
| **Team** | Startup (VNGRS) | Tech-Giganten + Staatsfinanzierung |
| **GPUs** | 8× H200 | Zehntausende H800/A100 |

Kumru-2B ist **300× kleiner** als DeepSeek-V3. Das ist nicht die gleiche Liga — das ist nicht mal der gleiche Sport.

---

## 🎯 Wo Kumru trotzdem punktet

Auf **rein türkischen Aufgaben** (Summarization, Grammatik, NER) schlägt Kumru-2B laut Cetvel-Benchmark überraschenderweise sogar **LLaMA-70B, Qwen-72B und Gemma-27B** — weil es der einzige LLM mit nativem türkischem Tokenizer und türkischem Trainingskorpus ist. Spezialisierung schlägt hier rohe Größe.

---

## 🔮 Realistische Einordnung

Die Türkei ist da, wo China **2019–2020** war: erste eigene Modelle, kleine Parameterzahlen, begrenztes Budget, aber klare strategische Ambition. Der Sprung zu einem konkurrenzfähigen 70B+ Modell würde **hunderte Millionen Dollar** und jahrelange Infrastruktur-Investitionen erfordern.

**Analog:** Kumru ist ein gut gebauter türkischer Sportwagen — aber DeepSeek und Qwen sind Formel-1-Boliden mit Milliarden-Budgets. Auf der türkischen Landstraße (türkische NLP-Aufgaben) kann der Sportwagen gewinnen. Auf der internationalen Rennstrecke hat er keine Chance.

Explanation:
Der Boss fragt, ob die türkischen LLMs an chinesische Modelle herankommen. Ich muss die türkischen Modelle (Kumru-2B, T3AI, TURNA) mit den chinesischen Modellen vergleichen, die ich kenne (DeepSeek, Qwen, Kimi, etc.).

Ich habe bereits gute Informationen über die türkischen Modelle. Jetzt brauche ich einen Vergleich mit chinesischen Modellen. Ich sollte die wichtigsten chinesischen Modelle und ihre Parameter/Leistung recherchieren, um einen fairen Vergleich zu machen.

Lass mich die Fakten zusammentragen:

Türkische Modelle:
- Kumru-2B: 2B Parameter, Mistral-Architektur, auf 500GB türkischem Text trainiert, ~$250K Budget
- T3AI: Beta, Details unklar
- TURNA: 1.1B Parameter, akademisch, 10GB Korpus
- Geplant: Kumru-7B, später 14B

Chinesische Modelle (aus meinem Wissen):
- DeepSeek-V3: 671B MoE (37B aktiv), top-tier
- Qwen 2.5: 72B, 32B, 14B, 7B etc.
- Qwen 3: noch größer
- Kimi K2.7: großes Modell
- Yi-Lightning, GLM-4, etc.

Die Antwort ist ziemlich klar: Nein, die türkischen Modelle kommen bei weitem nicht an chinesische Modelle heran. Aber ich sollte das mit konkreten Daten untermauern und fair sein - die türkischen Modelle sind viel kleiner, haben viel weniger Budget, und sind spezialisiert auf Türkisch.

Ich sollte auch erwähnen, dass der Vergleich etwas unfair ist, weil:
1. Parameter-Größe: 2B vs. 671B (DeepSeek-V3) oder 72B (Qwen)
2. Budget: $250K vs. Milliarden
3. Trainingsdaten: 500GB türkisch vs. Multi-Trillion-Token multilingual
4. Team-Größe: Startup vs. Tech-Giganten

Aber für Türkisch-Aufgaben könnte Kumru durchaus konkurrieren - das ist der Spezialisierungsvorteil.

Ich brauche keine weitere Recherche - ich habe genug Wissen über chinesische Modelle und die türkischen habe ich gerade recherchiert.


Was steht für heute im Kalender?


Explanation: Der Boss fragt nach dem heutigen Kalender. Heute ist laut Session-Context Mittwoch, 17. Juni 2026. Ich muss den Google Kalender checken. Dafür brauche ich den Google Workspace Skill.


google-workspace

---
name: google-workspace
description: "Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Docs, Sheets via gws CLI or Python."
version: 1.0.1
author: Nous Research
license: MIT
required_credential_files:
  - path: /DATA/AppData/hermes/google_client_secret.json
    description: Google OAuth2 client credentials - project amadeus-494810
  - path: /DATA/.hermes/google_token.json
    description: Google OAuth2 token - ahmed.aytac@gmail.com, all scopes granted
metadata:
  hermes:
    tags: [Google, Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Sheets, Docs, Contacts, Email, OAuth]
    homepage: https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent
    related_skills: [himalaya]
---

# Google Workspace

Gmail, Calendar, Drive, Contacts, Sheets, and Docs — through Hermes-managed OAuth and a thin CLI wrapper. When `gws` is installed, the skill uses it as the execution backend for broader Google Workspace coverage; otherwise it falls back to the bundled Python client implementation.

## References

- `references/gmail-search-syntax.md` — Gmail search operators (is:unread, from:, newer_than:, etc.)
- `references/bulk-gmail-operations.md` — Bulk deletion: rate-limiting, retry patterns, date-range pagination

## Scripts

- `scripts/setup.py` — OAuth2 setup (run once to authorize)
- `scripts/google_api.py` — compatibility wrapper CLI. It prefers `gws` for operations when available, while preserving Hermes' existing JSON output contract.

## First-Time Setup

The setup is fully non-interactive — you drive it step by step so it works
on CLI, Telegram, Discord, or any platform.

Define a shorthand first:

```bash
GSETUP="python ${HERMES_HOME:-$HOME/.hermes}/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/setup.py"
```

### Step 0: Check if already set up

```bash
$GSETUP --check
```

If it prints `AUTHENTICATED`, skip to Usage — setup is already done.

### Step 1: Triage — ask the user what they need

Before starting OAuth setup, ask the user TWO questions:

**Question 1: "What Google services do you need? Just email, or also
Calendar/Drive/Sheets/Docs?"**

- **Email only** → They don't need this skill at all. Use the `himalaya` skill
  instead — it works with a Gmail App Password (Settings → Security → App
  Passwords) and takes 2 minutes to set up. No Google Cloud project needed.
  Load the himalaya skill and follow its setup instructions.

- **Anything beyond email** → Continue with this skill. Note: the setup
  script (`setup.py`) always requests the full SCOPES list (Gmail
  read/send/modify, Calendar, Drive read, Contacts, Sheets, Docs read).
  There is no `--services` flag to narrow scopes — the user can deselect
  individual permissions in Google's consent screen if desired.

**Question 2: "Does your Google account use Advanced Protection (hardware
security keys required to sign in)? If you're not sure, you probably don't
— it's something you would have explicitly enrolled in."**

- **No / Not sure** → Normal setup. Continue below.
- **Yes** → Their Workspace admin must add the OAuth client ID to the org's
  allowed apps list before Step 4 will work. Let them know upfront.

### Step 2: Create OAuth credentials (one-time, ~5 minutes)

Tell the user:

> You need a Google Cloud OAuth client. This is a one-time setup:
>
> 1. Create or select a project:
>    https://console.cloud.google.com/projectselector2/home/dashboard
> 2. Enable the required APIs from the API Library:
>    https://console.cloud.google.com/apis/library
>    Enable: Gmail API, Google Calendar API, Google Drive API,
>    Google Sheets API, Google Docs API, People API
> 3. Create the OAuth client here:
>    https://console.cloud.google.com/apis/credentials
>    Credentials → Create Credentials → OAuth 2.0 Client ID
> 4. Application type: "Desktop app" → Create
> 5. If the app is still in Testing, add the user's Google account as a test user here:
>    https://console.cloud.google.com/auth/audience
>    Audience → Test users → Add users
> 6. Download the JSON file and tell me the file path
>
> Important Hermes CLI note: if the file path starts with `/`, do NOT send only the bare path as its own message in the CLI, because it can be mistaken for a slash command. Send it in a sentence instead, like:
> `The JSON file path is: /home/user/Downloads/client_secret_....json`

Once they provide the path:

```bash
$GSETUP --client-secret /path/to/client_secret.json
```

If they paste the raw client ID / client secret values instead of a file path,
write a valid Desktop OAuth JSON file for them yourself, save it somewhere
explicit (for example `~/Downloads/hermes-google-client-secret.json`), then run
`--client-secret` against that file.

### Step 3: Get authorization URL

```bash
$GSETUP --auth-url
```

The script prints the full OAuth URL to stdout. The agent must extract it and
send it to the user as a clickable link.

Agent rules for this step:
- The script outputs ONLY the URL (one line) — no JSON wrapper, no `auth_url` field.
- Send that exact URL to the user as a single line. It needs to be a clickable link.
- Tell the user that the browser will likely fail on `http://localhost:1` after approval, and that this is expected.
- Tell them to copy the ENTIRE redirected URL from the browser address bar.
- If the user gets `Error 403: access_denied`, send them directly to `https://console.cloud.google.com/auth/audience` to add themselves as a test user.

### Step 4: Exchange the code

The user will paste back either a URL like `http://localhost:1/?code=4/0A...&scope=...`
or just the code string. Either works. The `--auth-url` step stores a temporary
pending OAuth session locally so `--auth-code` can complete the PKCE exchange
later, even on headless systems:

```bash
$GSETUP --auth-code "THE_URL_OR_CODE_THE_USER_PASTED"
```

If `--auth-code` fails because the code expired, was already used, or came from
an older browser tab, run `$GSETUP --auth-url` again to get a fresh URL.

### Step 5: Verify

```bash
$GSETUP --check
```

Should print `AUTHENTICATED`. Setup is complete — token refreshes automatically from now on.

### Notes

- Token is stored at `~/.hermes/google_token.json` and auto-refreshes.
- Pending OAuth session state/verifier are stored temporarily at `~/.hermes/google_oauth_pending.json` until exchange completes.
- If `gws` is installed, `google_api.py` points it at the same `~/.hermes/google_token.json` credentials file. Users do not need to run a separate `gws auth login` flow.
- To revoke: `$GSETUP --revoke`
- **Zeyd's setup:** Client secret stored at `/DATA/AppData/hermes/google_client_secret.json` (project: `amadeus-494810`, client ID `760929667815-...`). Token at `/DATA/.hermes/google_token.json` (profile-scoped). Gmail address: `ahmed.aytac@gmail.com`. All scopes granted (Gmail read/send/modify, Calendar, Drive, Contacts, Sheets, Docs). Do NOT re-ask for client secret path if these files exist.

## Usage

All commands go through the API script. Set `GAPI` as a shorthand:

```bash
GAPI="python ${HERMES_HOME:-$HOME/.hermes}/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/google_api.py"
```

### Gmail

```bash
# Search (returns JSON array with id, from, subject, date, snippet)
$GAPI gmail search "is:unread" --max 10
$GAPI gmail search "from:boss@company.com newer_than:1d"
$GAPI gmail search "has:attachment filename:pdf newer_than:7d"

# Read full message (returns JSON with body text)
$GAPI gmail get MESSAGE_ID

# Send
$GAPI gmail send --to user@example.com --subject "Hello" --body "Message text"
$GAPI gmail send --to user@example.com --subject "Report" --body "<h1>Q4</h1><p>Details...</p>" --html
$GAPI gmail send --to user@example.com --subject "Hello" --from '"Research Agent" <user@example.com>' --body "Message text"

# Reply (automatically threads and sets In-Reply-To)
$GAPI gmail reply MESSAGE_ID --body "Thanks, that works for me."
$GAPI gmail reply MESSAGE_ID --from '"Support Bot" <user@example.com>' --body "Thanks"

# Labels
$GAPI gmail labels
$GAPI gmail modify MESSAGE_ID --add-labels LABEL_ID
$GAPI gmail modify MESSAGE_ID --remove-labels UNREAD
```

### Calendar

```bash
# List events (defaults to next 7 days)
$GAPI calendar list
$GAPI calendar list --start 2026-03-01T00:00:00Z --end 2026-03-07T23:59:59Z

# Create event (ISO 8601 with timezone required)
$GAPI calendar create --summary "Team Standup" --start 2026-03-01T10:00:00-06:00 --end 2026-03-01T10:30:00-06:00
$GAPI calendar create --summary "Lunch" --start 2026-03-01T12:00:00Z --end 2026-03-01T13:00:00Z --location "Cafe"
$GAPI calendar create --summary "Review" --start 2026-03-01T14:00:00Z --end 2026-03-01T15:00:00Z --attendees "alice@co.com,bob@co.com"

# Delete event
$GAPI calendar delete EVENT_ID
```

### Drive

```bash
$GAPI drive search "quarterly report" --max 10
$GAPI drive search "mimeType='application/pdf'" --raw-query --max 5
```

### Contacts

```bash
$GAPI contacts list --max 20
```

### Sheets

```bash
# Read
$GAPI sheets get SHEET_ID "Sheet1!A1:D10"

# Write
$GAPI sheets update SHEET_ID "Sheet1!A1:B2" --values '[["Name","Score"],["Alice","95"]]'

# Append rows
$GAPI sheets append SHEET_ID "Sheet1!A:C" --values '[["new","row","data"]]'
```

### Docs

```bash
$GAPI docs get DOC_ID
```

## Output Format

All commands return JSON. Parse with `jq` or read directly. Key fields:

- **Gmail search**: `[{id, threadId, from, to, subject, date, snippet, labels}]`
- **Gmail get**: `{id, threadId, from, to, subject, date, labels, body}`
- **Gmail send/reply**: `{status: "sent", id, threadId}`
- **Calendar list**: `[{id, summary, start, end, location, description, htmlLink}]`
- **Calendar create**: `{status: "created", id, summary, htmlLink}`
- **Drive search**: `[{id, name, mimeType, modifiedTime, webViewLink}]`
- **Contacts list**: `[{name, emails: [...], phones: [...]}]`
- **Sheets get**: `[[cell, cell, ...], ...]`

## Rules

1. **Never send email or create/delete events without confirming with the user first.** Show the draft content and ask for approval.
2. **Check auth before first use** — run `setup.py --check`. If it fails, guide the user through setup.
3. **Use the Gmail search syntax reference** for complex queries — load it with `skill_view("google-workspace", file_path="references/gmail-search-syntax.md")`.
4. **Calendar times must include timezone** — always use ISO 8601 with offset (e.g., `2026-03-01T10:00:00-06:00`) or UTC (`Z`).
5. **Respect rate limits** — avoid rapid-fire sequential API calls. Batch reads when possible.

## Pitfalls

- **`$GAPI gmail get` returns empty body for complex multipart emails**: The `_extract_message_body` helper in `google_api.py` only handles simple MIME structures. For multipart/mixed emails with HTML content, inline images, and PDF attachments (e.g. Gotogate booking confirmations), the body field is often empty. When this happens, drop to raw Python: fetch with `format="raw"`, decode the base64, use `email.message_from_bytes` to walk the parts, and extract `text/plain` or `text/html` payloads explicitly. For PDF attachments: find the `application/pdf` part, save the decoded data, then use `fitz` (PyMuPDF) to extract text. See `references/gmail-raw-extraction.md` for the full pattern.
- **Testing-mode token expiry (7 days)**: If the Google Cloud project is in "Testing" status (not published to Production), OAuth refresh tokens live only **7 days**. After that, every API call fails with `REFRESH_FAILED: invalid_grant: Token has been expired or revoked`. The fix: either go through the re-auth flow (`--revoke` then `--auth-url`), OR permanently solve it by publishing the app to Production in Google Cloud Console → OAuth consent screen. The user should expect this every ~7 days until the project is published. When re-authenticating, always `--revoke` first to clean up the dead token file — the old invalid token on disk can confuse the setup script even after a fresh auth.
- **Image-extracted addresses**: When the recipient email comes from an image (screenshot, WhatsApp share, photo), OCR/vision can misread characters — e.g. `sanktmarien.at` read as `sanktmariaen.at`. Before sending, sanity-check the domain against known patterns (schools, companies, etc.) and confirm with the user if anything looks off. A wrong domain means the email goes into a black hole with no bounce.

## Re-Authentication When Token Expires or Goes Missing

The 7-day testing-mode expiry is documented under Pitfalls. Here's the exact recovery flow depending on what state you're in:

**Token file missing (deleted/never existed):** `--revoke` prints `No token to revoke.` — that's fine. Run `--client-secret /path/to/file.json` first (even if already on disk; this re-saves it and seeds the PKCE session state needed for `--auth-url`), then `--auth-url`, then `--auth-code`.

**Token exists but refresh fails (REFRESH_FAILED):** `--revoke` first to clean the dead token, then same flow: `--client-secret` → `--auth-url` → `--auth-code`.

## Calendar Multi-Calendar Support

`google_api.py` now supports querying ALL user calendars, not just `primary`.

**List all available calendars:**
```bash
$GAPI calendar calendars
# Returns: [{"id": "...", "summary": "Arbeit"}, {"id": "...", "summary": "Uni"}, ...]
```

**Fetch events from all calendars at once:**
```bash
$GAPI calendar list --all-calendars
# Returns events with extra fields: "calendarId" and "calendarSummary" per event
```

Use `--all-calendars` in cronjob prompts and agent workflows that need a complete daily view. The default `--calendar primary` still works for targeted queries.

Internal implementation: `_get_all_calendars()` fetches via `calendarList.list` API, then `_list_calendar_events()` iterates each calendar. Events are merged and sorted by start time.

## Flight Booking Workflow

When the user books flights and wants them in the calendar, create one event per flight segment with timezone-offset ISO 8601 times matching the departure and arrival airports' local zones. Use descriptive summaries with emoji, include the flight code and route. Always put the booking reference number in the description. For multi-city round-trips (e.g. VIE→IST→ALP→IST→VIE), fire all four `calendar create` commands in parallel since they are independent.

Extract flight details from booking emails: if `$GAPI gmail get` returns empty body (common with HTML multipart Gotogate emails), drop to raw Python with `format="raw"`, decode base64, walk MIME parts, and extract the PDF attachment with `fitz` (PyMuPDF). See references/gmail-raw-extraction.md for the full pattern.

## Troubleshooting

| Problem | Fix |
|---------|-----|
| `NOT_AUTHENTICATED` | Run setup Steps 2-5 above |
| `REFRESH_FAILED` | Token revoked or expired — see Re-Authentication section above |
| Token file missing, `--revoke` says "No token to revoke" | Normal — just run `--client-secret`, then `--auth-url`, then `--auth-code` |
| `HttpError 403: Insufficient Permission` | Missing API scope — `$GSETUP --revoke` then redo Steps 3-5 |
| `HttpError 403: Access Not Configured` | API not enabled — user needs to enable it in Google Cloud Console |
| `ModuleNotFoundError` | Run `$GSETUP --install-deps` |
| Advanced Protection blocks auth | Workspace admin must allowlist the OAuth client ID |
| Terminal tool blocks `&` in subject/body as backgrounding | False positive from the terminal sandbox — just re-run; it usually succeeds on the retry. If it persists, escape the `&` as `\&` or quote the entire `--body` string with single quotes instead of double quotes. |

## Revoking Access

```bash
$GSETUP --revoke
```

To view linked files, call skill_view(name, file_path) where file_path is e.g. 'references/api.md' or 'assets/config.yaml'

Setup needed before using this skill: missing file /DATA/AppData/hermes/google_client_secret.json, file /DATA/.hermes/google_token.json.


Explanation:
The skill says setup is needed because credential files are missing. But the memory says "Google OAuth token expires every ~7 days" and to proactively check auth. Let me check if the files actually exist and if auth is working, since the skill's readiness check might be stale.

Let me run the setup check first.

terminal

python /DATA/.hermes/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/setup.py --check 2>&1


Output: AUTHENTICATED: Token refreshed at /DATA/.hermes/google_token.json


Explanation: Auth is good. Now let me fetch today's calendar events.

GAPI="python /DATA/.hermes/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/google_api.py"; $GAPI calendar list --all-calendars --start 2026-06-17T00:00:00+02:00 --end 2026-06-17T23:59:59+02:00 2>&1


Explanation: The calendar returned an empty array for today. Let me also check if there are any events in the next few days, just to make sure I'm not missing anything due to timezone issues.

GAPI="python /DATA/.hermes/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/google_api.py"; $GAPI calendar list --all-calendars 2>&1


Output:
[
  {
    "id": "_6sqk4d9i84q3cba36d33gb9k8or3ab9o8l33gba26ksk4dhh70ojee9m74",
    "summary": "Arbeit",
    "start": "2026-06-19T08:00:00+02:00",
    "end": "2026-06-19T15:00:00+02:00",
    "location": "Öamtc\nBaumgasse 129, 1030 Wien, Österreich",
    "description": "",
    "status": "confirmed",
    "htmlLink": "https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=XzZzcWs0ZDlpODRxM2NiYTM2ZDMzZ2I5azhvcjNhYjlvOGwzM2diYTI2a3NrNGRoaDcwb2plZTltNzQgYTJhYzdkZDIyNWYyZjMxYjIxN2Y3Mjg2YTQ5ZTU4MjdiZjliN2I5MmI5NGY2OTAzMzE2Mzc2ZjRmNTg3YmFiN0Bn",
    "calendarId": "a2ac7dd225f2f31b217f7286a49e5827bf9b7b92b94f6903316376f4f587bab7@group.calendar.google.com",
    "calendarSummary": "Arbeit"
  },
  {
    "id": "_751kah1g8d330b9l8h0kab9k750kcba284s42b9k8h346chm84r38d248o_20260619T111500Z",
    "summary": "🕋 Cuma",
    "start": "2026-06-19T13:15:00+02:00",
    "end": "2026-06-19T14:00:00+02:00",
    "location": "",
    "description": "",
    "status": "confirmed",
    "htmlLink": "https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=Xzc1MWthaDFnOGQzMzBiOWw4aDBrYWI5azc1MGtjYmEyODRzNDJiOWs4aDM0NmNobTg0cjM4ZDI0OG9fMjAyNjA2MTlUMTExNTAwWiBhaG1lZC5heXRhY0Bt",
    "calendarId": "ahmed.aytac@gmail.com",
    "calendarSummary": "ahmed.aytac@gmail.com"
  },
  {
    "id": "_8os3gha48orkcba588s38b9k8csj4b9o8p14cb9k70s3gdpp891j8c9j88_20260619T111500Z",
    "summary": "🕋 Cuma",
    "start": "2026-06-19T13:15:00+02:00",
    "end": "2026-06-19T14:00:00+02:00",
    "location": "",
    "description": "",
    "status": "confirmed",
    "htmlLink": "https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=XzhvczNnaGE0OG9ya2NiYTU4OHMzOGI5azhjc2o0YjlvOHAxNGNiOWs3MHMzZ2RwcDg5MWo4YzlqODhfMjAyNjA2MTlUMTExNTAwWiBhaG1lZC5heXRhY0Bt",
    "calendarId": "ahmed.aytac@gmail.com",
    "calendarSummary": "ahmed.aytac@gmail.com"
  },
  {
    "id": "_8kpjiha46gok4b9m8oo3eb9k6t134ba26gp4aba5712j8cph6l1kcdq488_20260622T060000Z",
    "summary": "Arbeit - Erdberg",
    "start": "2026-06-22T08:00:00+02:00",
    "end": "2026-06-22T17:00:00+02:00",
    "location": "Erdberg",
    "description": "",
    "status": "confirmed",
    "htmlLink": "https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=XzhrcGppaGE0NmdvazRiOW04b28zZWI5azZ0MTM0YmEyNmdwNGFiYTU3MTJqOGNwaDZsMWtjZHE0ODhfMjAyNjA2MjJUMDYwMDAwWiBhMmFjN2RkMjI1ZjJmMzFiMjE3ZjcyODZhNDllNTgyN2JmOWI3YjkyYjk0ZjY5MDMzMTYzNzZmNGY1ODdiYWI3QGc",
    "calendarId": "a2ac7dd225f2f31b217f7286a49e5827bf9b7b92b94f6903316376f4f587bab7@group.calendar.google.com",
    "calendarSummary": "Arbeit"
  },
  {
    "id": "_71330d9n8goj6b9o6gp48b9k74s44b9o88pj0b9i6p24ae9j64pjad9g88_20260623T070000Z",
    "summary": "Arbeit",
    "start": "2026-06-23T09:00:00+02:00",
    "end": "2026-06-23T18:00:00+02:00",
    "location": "Öamtc\nSchubertring 1-3, 1010 Wien, Österreich",
    "description": "",
    "status": "confirmed",
    "htmlLink": "https://www.google.com/calendar/event?eid=XzcxMzMwZDluOGdvajZiOW82Z3A0OGI5azc0czQ0YjlvODhwajBiOWk2cDI0YWU5ajY0cGphZDlnODhfMjAyNjA2MjNUMDcwMDAwWiBhMmFjN2RkMjI1ZjJmMzFiMjE3ZjcyODZhNDllNTgyN2JmOWI3YjkyYjk0ZjY5MDMzMTYzNzZmNGY1ODdiYWI3QGc",
    "calendarId": "a2ac7dd225f2f31b217f7286a49e5827bf9b7b92b94f6903316376f4f587bab7@group.calendar.google.com",
    "calendarSummary": "Arbeit"
  }
]


**Heute (Mittwoch, 17. Juni) ist nichts im Kalender.** 🎉

Die nächsten Termine:

| Datum | Was | Wann | Wo |
|---|---|---|---|
| **Fr 19.06.** | Arbeit | 08:00–15:00 | ÖAMTC Baumgasse 129, 1030 Wien |
| **Fr 19.06.** | 🕋 Cuma | 13:15–14:00 | — |
| **Mo 22.06.** | Arbeit – Erdberg | 08:00–17:00 | Erdberg |
| **Di 23.06.** | Arbeit | 09:00–18:00 | ÖAMTC Schubertring 1-3, 1010 Wien |

Freier Tag heute, Chef!

Explanation:
The user asked "Was steht für heute im Kalender?" (What's in the calendar for today?). Today is June 17, 2026 (Wednesday). The calendar list with `--all-calendars` returned events, but they're all for future dates (June 19, 22, 23). The specific query for today (June 17) returned `[]` — empty.

So the answer is: **Heute ist nichts im Kalender.** But I should present the upcoming events too since that's useful context.


Wie lange ist der Google OAuth noch gültig?


Explanation:
Der Benutzer fragt, wie lange der Google OAuth-Token noch gültig ist. Ich habe gerade die Authentifizierung überprüft und sie war erfolgreich. Aber ich muss herausfinden, wann der Token abläuft.

Laut der Skill-Dokumentation läuft der Token bei einem "Testing"-Projekt nach 7 Tagen ab. Ich sollte das Token-File überprüfen, um das Ablaufdatum zu sehen.

python3 -c "
import json, datetime
with open('/DATA/.hermes/google_token.json') as f:
    token = json.load(f)
# Check expiry if present
expires_at = token.get('expires_at')
if expires_at:
    dt = datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(expires_at)
    now = datetime.datetime.now()
    remaining = dt - now
    print(f'Access token expires: {dt.strftime(\"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S\")}')
    print(f'Remaining: {remaining}')
else:
    print('No expires_at in token')
# Also check refresh token presence
has_refresh = 'refresh_token' in token
print(f'Refresh token present: {has_refresh}')
# Print token file mod time
import os
mtime = os.path.getmtime('/DATA/.hermes/google_token.json')
print(f'Token file last modified: {datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(mtime).strftime(\"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S\")}')
"


Output:
No expires_at in token
Refresh token present: True
Token file last modified: 2026-06-17 12:16:55


Der Token wurde **heute um 12:16** frisch refreshed — also gerade eben, als ich den Kalender abgefragt habe.

Da das Google Cloud Projekt (`amadeus-494810`) noch im **Testing-Modus** ist, gilt die 7-Tage-Regel: Der Refresh-Token läuft **~24. Juni 2026** ab, wenn er nicht vorher durch Nutzung erneuert wird. Solange wir den Kalender oder Gmail regelmäßig abfragen (mindestens einmal pro Woche), bleibt er aktiv.

**Status:** ✅ Gültig bis ~24. Juni. Kein Handlungsbedarf.

Explanation:
The token was just refreshed (today at 12:16:55). The refresh token is present. Since the Google Cloud project is in "Testing" status, refresh tokens expire after 7 days. The token was just refreshed today, so it should be valid for about 7 more days — until around June 24, 2026.

Let me give a clear answer.


Bitte refreshe den Token automatisch jeden Tag!


Explanation:
The user wants me to set up a daily cron job that refreshes the Google OAuth token automatically. Let me create a cron job that runs the setup.py --check command daily, which will refresh the token.

Let me think about the best approach:

1. I could create a cron job with `no_agent=true` that just runs a script to refresh the token
2. Or I could create a simple agent-driven cron job

The simplest approach: a `no_agent=true` cron job with a script that runs the token refresh. But actually, `setup.py --check` already refreshes the token if needed. So I can create a simple script that does this.

Let me create a script first, then schedule it as a cron job.

Actually, let me think about this more carefully. The `setup.py --check` command refreshes the token. I can create a small wrapper script and schedule it daily.

Let me create the script and cron job.

#!/bin/bash
# Daily Google OAuth token refresh — prevents 7-day testing-mode expiry
python /DATA/.hermes/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/setup.py --check 2>&1


No linter for .sh files


Explanation:
The user wants a daily cron job to refresh the Google OAuth token. I'll create a cron job that runs the setup.py --check script daily. This is a perfect use case for a no_agent cron job — just run the script and deliver stdout. But actually, the user probably doesn't need a notification every day. Let me use no_agent=True so it only delivers if there's an error (non-zero exit). Actually, let me think about this more carefully.

The setup.py --check script:
- If authenticated: prints "AUTHENTICATED: Token refreshed at ..." and exits 0
- If not authenticated: prints "NOT_AUTHENTICATED" and exits non-zero

With no_agent=True:
- Non-empty stdout + exit 0 → delivered verbatim (user gets "AUTHENTICATED" message every day — annoying)
- Empty stdout → silent
- Non-zero exit → error alert

So with no_agent=True, the user would get a daily "AUTHENTICATED" message. That's probably not what they want.

Better approach: use no_agent=True but make the script only output on failure. Let me modify the script to be silent on success.

Or I could use the default mode (no_agent=False) with a prompt like "Refresh the Google OAuth token and report only if there's an issue." But that uses tokens unnecessarily.

Actually, the simplest approach: modify the script to output nothing on success, only on failure. Then use no_agent=True.

Let me update the script and create the cron job.

#!/bin/bash
# Daily Google OAuth token refresh — silent on success, alerts on failure
RESULT=$(python /DATA/.hermes/skills/productivity/google-workspace/scripts/setup.py --check 2>&1)
EXIT=$?
if [ $EXIT -ne 0 ]; then
    echo "⚠ Google OAuth Token-Refresh FEHLGESCHLAGEN: $RESULT"
    exit 1
fi
# Success → silent (no output, exit 0)


Explanation:
The user wants a daily cron job to refresh the Google OAuth token. I've created the script. Now I need to set up a cron job that runs this script daily. Let me use the cronjob tool with no_agent=True since this is a simple script that just needs to run and report if there's an error.

The script is at /DATA/.hermes/scripts/refresh-google-token.sh. I'll create a cron job that runs it daily.


cronjob

Script path must be relative to ~/.hermes/scripts/. Got absolute or home-relative path: '/DATA/.hermes/scripts/refresh-google-token.sh'. Place scripts in ~/.hermes/scripts/ and use just the filename.


Explanation: The error says the script path must be relative to ~/.hermes/scripts/. Since HERMES_HOME is /DATA/.hermes, ~/.hermes/scripts/ is /DATA/.hermes/scripts/. The file is already there. I just need to use the relative filename "refresh-google-token.sh" instead of theabsolute path.


cronjob

Google OAuth Token Refresh

Cron job 'Google OAuth Token Refresh' created.


Erledigt, Chef! ✅

- **Script:** `refresh-google-token.sh` — führt `setup.py --check` aus, meldet sich nur bei Fehlern
- **Cronjob:** Täglich um **09:00 Uhr**, läuft ohne LLM (reiner Script-Mode)
- **Nächster Lauf:** Morgen, 18. Juni 2026 um 09:00

Bei Erfolg bleibt der Job stumm — du kriegst nur eine Nachricht, wenn der Refresh fehlschlägt. Damit ist der 7-Tage-Expiry kein Problem mehr.

Explanation: The cron job is set up. Let me summarize what was done forthe user.


WAS IST DAS schlimmste was bei einer herz ablation passieren kann?


Explanation:
Der Benutzer fragt nach dem Schlimmsten, was bei einer Herzablation passieren kann. Das ist eine medizinische Frage. Ich sollte vorsichtig sein - ich bin kein Arzt und sollte das klarstellen. Aber ich kann recherchieren, was die bekannten Risiken und Komplikationen sind.

Ich erinnere mich, dass wir in einer früheren Session (20260615_090424_d403ad77) bereits über Herzablation gesprochen haben - der Benutzer hatte nach Risiken für ein Familienmitglied gefragt. Damals hatte ich auf deutsche kardiologische Quellen verwiesen (DGK, Herzstiftung).

Lass mich die frühere Session nochmal genauer anschauen und dann aktuelle Informationen recherchieren.

Question: Herzablation OR ablation OR Herz OR heart surgery OR cardiac


Question: Herzablation OR ablation OR Herz OR heart surgery OR cardiac

Summary:
The conversation on June 15, 2026, touched on the topic of cardiac health when the user requested information regarding an upcoming heart procedure for their father.

### User Request
The user asked for a research summary on **heart ablation surgery (Herzablation)**, specifically inquiring about the risks and potential complications. They noted that their father was scheduled for the operation on June 24th.

### Actions and Information Provided
The assistant provided a general medical overview while clarifying that it did not have access to real-time, verified medical research tools for specific cases. Key information shared included:
*   **Procedure Type:** It was explained that a catheter ablation is typically not "open-heart" surgery but a minimally invasive procedure usually performed via the femoral vein/artery in the groin.
*   **Common Risks:** The assistant listed potential complications, including:
    *   Bleeding or hematoma at the puncture site.
    *   Vessel injury.
    *   Cardiac tamponade (rare but serious).
    *   Stroke (due to blood clots, rare).
    *   Conduction disturbances (potentially requiring a pacemaker).
    *   Increased arrhythmias in the weeks following the procedure.
*   **Risk Factors:** The assistant noted that risk levels depend on the type of arrhythmia (e.g., atrial fibrillation vs. SVT), the center's experience, and the patient's age and comorbidities.

### Key Recommendations and Conclusions
*   **Trusted Sources:** The user was directed to reputable German organizations: **Herzstiftung.de**, **Aerzteblatt.de**, and the **Deutsche Gesellschaft für Kardiologie (DGK)**.
*   **Actionable Advice:** The assistant suggested the user ask the surgeon about the specific procedure (catheter vs. surgical maze), the center's success rates, and the required aftercare (anticoagulation, etc.).

### Technical Details and Files
While the medical query was the focus of this specific segment, the broader session involved technical documentation for a tool called **Camofox**. The assistant retrieved several files related to browser automation and research patterns, including:
*   `devops/zimaos-camofox-browser/SKILL.md`
*   `references/ris-legal-research.md` (which mentions Austrian legal research workflows).

### Unresolved Matters
The assistant offered to help the user draft a specific list of questions for the father's doctor, but the user did not follow up on this, instead pivoting the conversation to technical documentation regarding "Camofox." No further medical details were discussed.


Die schwerwiegendsten Komplikationen bei einer Katheterablation — geordnet von selten bis extrem selten, aber alle potenziell lebensbedrohlich:

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## ☠ **Tod**
- Inzidenz: **0,1–0,3 %** (abhängig von Zentrum, Arrhythmie-Typ und Patient)
- Meist Folge einer der unten genannten Komplikationen

## 🧠 **Schlaganfall / TIA**
- Durch Thrombusbildung an Kathetern, Luftembolie oder ablöste Plaques
- Risiko bei AF-Ablation: ~0,5–1 %, höher ohne periinterventionelle Antikoagulation

## 🫀 **Herzbeuteltamponade (Perikardtamponade)**
- Perforation der Herzwand → Blut füllt den Herzbeutel → Herz wird komprimiert
- **Akut lebensbedrohlich** — erfordert sofortige Perikardpunktion, ggf. Not-OP
- Inzidenz: ~1–2 % je nach Eingriff

## 🔥 **Atrioösophageale Fistel** (die gefürchtetste)
- Verbindung zwischen linkem Vorhof und Speiseröhre durch thermische Schädigung
- **Extrem selten** (<0,1 %), aber **Mortalität >70 %**
- Tritt fast nur bei extensiver posteriorer AF-Ablation auf
- Symptome oft erst Tage/Wochen später: Fieber, Schluckbeschwerden, Luftembolie → Sepsis, massive Hirnschäden

## ⚡ **Kompletter AV-Block**
- Zerstörung des AV-Knotens → Herz kann nicht mehr eigenständig schlagen
- **Permanenter Schrittmacher** erforderlich
- Risiko besonders bei Ablation nahe AV-Knoten (z.B. AVNRT)

## 🩸 **Schwere Gefäßverletzung**
- Pseudoaneurysma, AV-Fistel, retroperitoneales Hämatom an der Punktionsstelle (Leiste)
- Kann transfusionspflichtig werden, selten operativ zu versorgen

## 🫁 **Lungenvenenstenose**
- Verengung der Pulmonalvenen nach Ablation um die Ostien
- Führt zu Dyspnoe, Hämoptysen, pulmonaler Hypertonie
- Heute seltener durch verbesserte Mapping-Techniken

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**Wichtig:** Das sind die *worst-case*-Szenarien. In einem erfahrenen Zentrum mit hohem Fallvolumen liegen die Raten für schwere Komplikationen **deutlich** niedriger. Der entscheidende Faktor ist die Erfahrung des Operateurs und des Teams.

Dein Vater ist am **24. Juni** dran — habt ihr schon mit dem Arzt über die eingriffsspezifischen Risiken gesprochen? Ich kann dir helfen, eine Liste gezielter Fragen für das Vorgespräch zusammenzustellen.

*Keine medizinische Beratung — das Gespräch mit dem behandelnden Kardiologen ist durch nichts zu ersetzen.*

Explanation:
Der Benutzer fragt nach dem Schlimmsten, was bei einer Herzablation passieren kann. Ich habe bereits eine vorherige Sitzung, in der wir über Herzablation gesprochen haben (15. Juni 2026). Der Benutzer erwähnte, dass sein Vater am 24. Juni operiert werden soll.

Ich sollte eine klare, medizinisch genaue Antwort geben, die die schwerwiegendsten Komplikationen auflistet. Ich sollte auch daran erinnern, dass ich kein Arzt bin und dies keine medizinische Beratung ist.

Die schwerwiegendsten Komplikationen bei einer Katheterablation sind:

1. **Tod** - extrem selten (0,1-0,3% je nach Zentrum und Art der Ablation)
2. **Schlaganfall** - durch Blutgerinnsel oder Luftembolie, die während des Eingriffs ins Gehirn gelangen
3. **Herzbeuteltamponade (Perikardtamponade)** - Perforation der Herzwand, Blut füllt den Herzbeutel und komprimiert das Herz. Lebensbedrohlich, erfordert sofortige Perikardpunktion.
4. **Atrioösophageale Fistel** - eine Verbindung zwischen Vorhof und Speiseröhre, extrem selten aber oft tödlich (tritt fast nur bei AF-Ablation mit extensiver posteriorer Ablation auf)
5. **Schwere Gefäßverletzung** - z.B. Pseudoaneurysma, AV-Fistel an der Punktionsstelle
6. **Kompletter AV-Block** - erfordert permanenten Schrittmacher (besonders bei Ablation nahe dem AV-Knoten)
7. **Lungenvenenstenose** - Verengung der Lungenvenen nach Ablation um die Pulmonalvenen

Ich sollte die Antwort strukturieren und klar machen, dass dies die schwerwiegendsten, aber auch seltensten Komplikationen sind. Ich sollte auch die vorherige Sitzung erwähnen, in der wir über die Ablation des Vaters gesprochen haben.


Ist das allgemein ein sicherer eingriff?


Ja — im Spektrum der kardiologischen Eingriffe gilt die Katheterablation als **routinemäßig sicher**, aber nicht harmlos. Die Einordnung:

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## 📊 Sicherheit in Zahlen

| Eingriff | Mortalität |
|---|---|
| **Katheterablation (allgemein)** | 0,1–0,3 % |
| Bypass-OP (CABG) | 1–3 % |
| Klappenersatz (chirurgisch) | 2–5 % |
| PCI/Stent (elektiv) | <0,5 % |

Die Ablation ist **minimalinvasiv** — kein Brustkorb-Schnitt, keine Herz-Lungen-Maschine, keine Vollnarkose (meist nur Sedierung). Das senkt das Grundrisiko massiv.

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## ⚖ Was „sicher" hier bedeutet

- **Schwere Komplikationen** (Tamponade, Schlaganfall, AV-Block): **1–3 %** gesamt
- **Leichte Komplikationen** (Leistenhämatom, vorübergehende Rhythmusstörungen): **5–10 %**, meist folgenlos
- **Erfolgsrate** (Freiheit von Arrhythmie nach 1 Jahr): **70–90 %**, je nach Arrhythmie-Typ

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## 🎯 Entscheidende Faktoren

1. **Zentrumsvolumen:** Kliniken mit >100 Ablationen/Jahr haben signifikant niedrigere Komplikationsraten
2. **Arrhythmie-Typ:** Eine AVNRT-Ablation ist deutlich risikoärmer als eine ausgedehnte AF-Ablation
3. **Patientenalter & Komorbiditäten:** Je jünger und gesünder, desto sicherer

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**Fazit:** Für einen ansonsten gesunden Patienten in einem erfahrenen Zentrum ist die Katheterablation ein **sicherer Routineeingriff** mit einem Risikoprofil, das deutlich unter dem der Erkrankung liegt, die sie behandelt (unbehandeltes Vorhofflimmern z.B. hat ein Schlaganfallrisiko von 5 % *pro Jahr*).

Trotzdem: Kein Eingriff am Herzen ist trivial. Das Vorgespräch mit dem Operateur ist entscheidend — da erfährst du die *zentrumsspezifischen* Zahlen, nicht nur die Literaturwerte.

Explanation:
Der Benutzer fragt, ob eine Herzablation allgemein ein sicherer Eingriff ist. Ich habe bereits Informationen aus der vorherigen Sitzung und mein Wissen über das Verfahren. Ich sollte eine ausgewogene Antwort geben, die die Sicherheit im Vergleich zu anderen Verfahren und die Risikofaktoren anerkennt.

Ich muss klarstellen, dass dies keine medizinische Beratung ist, aber ich kann allgemeine Informationen aus seriösen Quellen geben.

Lassen Sie mich eine prägnante, ehrliche Antwort formulieren.


Er hat eine Katheterablation


Dann ist es die **minimalinvasive Variante** — das ist die gute Nachricht. Kein Brustkorb-Schnitt, keine Herz-Lungen-Maschine.

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## 🔍 Katheter vs. Chirurgisch

| | Katheterablation | Chirurgische (Maze) |
|---|---|---|
| **Zugang** | Leistenvene/-arterie | Sternotomie (Brustkorb offen) |
| **Narkose** | Sedierung (Dämmerschlaf) | Vollnarkose |
| **Dauer** | 1–4 Stunden | 4–6 Stunden |
| **Krankenhaus** | 1–2 Nächte | 5–10 Tage |
| **Mortalität** | 0,1–0,3 % | 1–3 % |
| **Erholung** | ~1 Woche | ~6–8 Wochen |

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## 🩺 Ablauf (damit dein Vater weiß, was ihn erwartet)

1. **Punktion** in der Leiste (örtliche Betäubung)
2. **Katheternavigation** durch die Vene bis ins Herz
3. **Elektrophysiologisches Mapping** — die Störstelle wird lokalisiert
4. **Verödung** per Hochfrequenzstrom (Hitze) oder Kryo (Kälte) — wenige Millimeter Gewebe
5. **Kontrolle** — wird die Arrhythmie noch ausgelöst?
6. **Katheter raus, Druckverband** auf die Leiste, Bettruhe für ein paar Stunden

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## ⚠ Die zwei relevantesten Risiken speziell bei Katheter

- **Leistenkomplikation** (Hämatom, Pseudoaneurysma): ~2–5 %, fast immer beherrschbar
- **Herzbeuteltamponade** (Perforation durch Katheter): ~1 %, wird im selben Eingriff per Punktion behoben — das Team ist darauf vorbereitet

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Dein Vater kann froh sein, dass es katheterbasiert läuft. Die Erholung ist schnell, und er ist wahrscheinlich nach 2 Tagen wieder zuhause. Am 24. Juni ist es soweit — soll ich dir eine Checkliste mit Fragen für das Aufklärungsgespräch zusammenstellen?

Explanation:
Der Chef sagt, sein Vater hat eine Katheterablation. Das ist die häufigste Form — minimalinvasiv über die Leiste. Ich habe bereits die Risiken und die allgemeine Sicherheit erklärt. Jetzt will er wahrscheinlich eine konkretere Einordnung speziell für die Katheterablation (nicht chirurgisch).

Ich sollte bestätigen, dass das die sicherere Variante ist, und die spezifischen Risiken der Katheterablation nochmal klar von der chirurgischen Maze-Ablation abgrenzen. Vielleicht auch praktische Infos zum Ablauf geben, da der Eingriff am 24. Juni ist.

Kurz und präzise halten — er will Fakten, keine Wiederholung.


Nein, soll ich mir sorgen machen?


Nein. Die Zahlen sind auf deiner Seite:

- **99,7–99,9 %** der Patienten überleben diesen Eingriff
- Schwere Komplikationen treten in **1–3 %** der Fälle auf — und selbst die sind im Katheterlabor meist sofort beherrschbar
- Dein Vater bekommt die **minimalinvasive** Variante — kein offener Brustkorb, keine Vollnarkose

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Zum Vergleich: Das Risiko, *nichts* zu tun und die Arrhythmie unbehandelt zu lassen, ist statistisch **höher** als das Eingriffsrisiko. Vorhofflimmern unbehandelt: ~5 % Schlaganfallrisiko *pro Jahr*.

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Die Nervosität vor so einem Eingriff ist normal — das ist das Herz, nicht der Blinddarm. Aber „Sorgen machen" im Sinne von „das ist gefährlich" — dafür geben die Daten nichts her. Dein Vater ist in guten Händen, Chef.

Explanation:
Der Boss fragt, ob er sich Sorgen machen soll wegen der Katheterablation seines Vaters am 24. Juni. Das ist eine emotionale Frage, keine technische. Er will wahrscheinlich eine ehrliche, beruhigende Einschätzung von mir als jemand, dem er vertraut.

Ich sollte:
1. Klar sagen: Nein, keine übermäßigen Sorgen — aber das ist kein "mach dir gar keine Gedanken"
2. Die Statistiken nochmal kurz und prägnant zusammenfassen, die zeigen, dass es ein sicherer Routineeingriff ist
3. Die Perspektive geben: Das Risiko der unbehandelten Arrhythmie ist höher als das des Eingriffs
4. Menschlich bleiben — sein Vater ist am 24. dran, das ist nah, da ist Nervosität normal

Keine medizinische Beratung, aber ehrliche Einordnung als jemand, der die Daten kennt.


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